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How To Calculate Waketime Length

You know waketime length is very important for good naps, but you have no idea how to calculate waketime length. When do you start? When do you end? How do you know how long your baby was up? This post answers that for you. 

How To Calculate Waketime Length

If you want your baby to take a nice long nap, one of the most important bits of knowledge for you to have is to know how to properly calculate waketime length. The cornerstone for a good nap is having the correct waketime legnth. I have talked extensively about how to figure waketime length out and have given you ballpark numbers to aim for.

That is all great knowledge, but you need to know how to calculate waketime length. 

Waketime starts when your baby wakes up.

Waketime ends when you put your baby in his crib for a nap (or bedtime).

Waketime DOES include feeding time. It is time your baby is awake. 

Easy right?!?!? 

It sounds easy until you add in the "What ifs". 


What if your baby doesn't fall asleep for thirty minutes, is that still when waketime ended?
Yes. The purpose of even calculating waketime length is to know how long is perfect for your baby to fall asleep quickly and take a good nap. That thirty minutes awake will not be "nap" time, but it also isn't calculated into your "waketime." Take note that with that waketime length, your baby took thirty minutes to fall asleep. That is good data to track. If you need help tracking, be sure to purchase my Logs eBook for only one dollar! 

What if your baby wakes up early and stays in the crib for a while before you get her up? Is that still when it starts?
This is where things can get very tricky. 

The time your baby spends awake in the crib before you get her up is waketime. It is not, however, necessarily minute for minute. This is where you will have to experiment. For some babies, every minute awake in the crib needs to be counted straight across for minutes of waketime. For others, it is more of a "half-time." So if your baby was awake for 20 minutes in the crib before you got her up, you would count that as ten minutes. The only way to know what is best for her is to experiment and see what happens. 

Conclusion
Now you know just how to count waketime, so in your quest for finding your baby's optimal waketime length, you can calculate correctly. You are well on your way to better naps!

These posts can help you:
How To Calculate Waketime Length for your Baby

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What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for 9-10 months? (includes feeding time)

Results:

75-90 minutes: 6 votes (4%)
1.5-1.75 hours: 11 votes (8%)
1.75-2 hours: 10 votes (7%)
2-2.25 hours: 20 votes (15%)
2.25-2.5 hours: 23 votes (17%)
2.5-3 hours: 35 votes (26%)
3-3.5 hours: 21 votes (15%)
3.5 hours or more: 6 votes (4%)

Total of 132 votes

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Reminder: You can leave comments on poll results posts if you would like to add to the poll after it has closed. This would be helpful for those who have more than one child, those whose children have reached certain ages after a poll closed, and those who didn't visit the blog while that poll was open. To find closed polls, click on the poll results link above.

Adding Waketime to Your Newborn's Day

My sleepy little Kaitlyn during playtime
I know I have mentioned my waketime strategy for newborns in a post in the past, but it wasn't the topic of the post. I get enough questions about it that it is obviously not easy to find, so I will outline it here.

My strategies really apply to the sleepy newborn. If your newborn is like my son was, he doesn't want to sleep and you have no trouble keeping him awake unless it is time to nurse. I will link posts on keeping awake while nursing/bottlefeeding at the end of this post.

If your newborn is like my daughter, however, you will put 110% of your effort into keeping her awake without any success. You can hold her straight up and she continues to snooze. She loves her sleep. That is wonderful and all, but you know you need to add waketimes to the day to ensure she sleeps well at night, learns the difference between night and day, and gets some learning time in. Here are my steps to adding waketime for your newborn. First I will write out a sample feeding schedule so we can all be on the same page:

7:30--eat
10:30--eat
1:00--eat
4:00--eat
6:30--eat
9:30--eat, treat as dreamfeed. No waketime afterward.
11:00--possible feeding if baby will take it. Again, no waketime following this feeding. If you have another feeding at this time, you might feed at 9 PM instead of 9:30.

RULE 1: From day one, always work to keep baby awake during feeding times. See Sleepy Newborns: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2007/12/sleepy-newborns.html and Baby Whisperer: Feeding a Sleepy Newborn : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/08/baby-whisperer-feeding-sleepy-newborn.html for ideas on how to accomplish this. What happens after the feeding is over will depend on where you are in your efforts.
WEEK ONE:
Your baby is 0-1 week old. During week one, don't even worry about it. Let her sleep, and you in turn sleep as much as you can. Even my son was very sleepy this first week. Babywise says during week one to simply focus on establishing nursing (if you bottlefeed establish that). It also says to not even pay attention to the clock, so just take this week to focus on yourself getting all the rest you can.
RULE 2: As you start to add waketimes to your day, be sure you are keeping waketimes to an appropriate length. Remember that for a newborn, 30 minutes (including feeding time) might be all she can handle. See this post for help in figuring out the optimal waketime length for your baby: Optimal Waketime Lengths : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/07/optimal-waketime-lengths.html
WEEK TWO:
During week two (your baby is between 1-2 weeks old), choose one cycle in the day to start to try to keep her awake. Write down your desired schedule and decide which time of day would be best for you to try to keep her awake. Maybe it is in the evening when Daddy is home. Maybe it is the first waketime of the day. This is the first one I did. I assumed it would be the easiest one since she had been sleeping without any waketime all night long. Think of an activity that is likely to keep her awake. For me, this was a bath (or sponge bath and washing of hair before the umbilical cord fell off) in the morning. Remember, don't keep her up too long. Start slowly. Take the entire week to get her to stay awake for this one waketime. You aren't in a race. Take it at her pace.
RULE 3: As you are training your baby to stay awake for a waketime, keep in mind that it will take effort on your part. While she is adjusting, you likely can't leave her to lay somewhere by herself--even at a toy gym. She will fall asleep. Once she is used to staying awake for that period of time, you can change your activities so you aren't her sole source of entertainment all day, but while she is learning, be wary of leaving her to her own devices.
WEEK THREE:During week three (your baby is between 2-3 weeks old), choose another cycle in the day to add some waketime to. You will now have two waketimes in the day. Again, don't keep her up too long and work up to it throughout the week. The second waketime I added was after her 4 PM feeding. My husband gets home close to the time she was done eating, and Brayden usually wasn't up yet, so it was some good time for him and her to spend together.
RULE 4: As you add more waketimes to the day, try to stagger them. For example, don't start with the first two waketimes of the day. Do a waketime, then just let her sleep, then a waketime, let her sleep, etc. You can stagger them ore than that if you want to (one in the morning and one in the evening). She will be more successful at staying awake if she is better rested.
WEEK FOUR:
Your baby is between 3-4 weeks old. As in other weeks, add one waketime to your day, so you are now up to three. At this point, some babies might be able to add two. Many start to be more awake at this age, but some (including my daughter) are still very sleepy. This was the age my son started to reject the idea of sleeping in the day (remember we didn't start BW until he was 9 weeks old). The third waketime I added was after the 10:30 AM feeding. We occasionally ran errands and/or had visitors after this feeding, so it was a convenient time to have her awake for a bit.
RULE 5: Growth spurts can really throw things off. 4 weeks is a typical growth spurt age, so be on the lookout for it. Your baby won't nap as long, so waketimes will likely need to be shorter. Watch for the nap cues (see Nap Cues : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/03/nap-cues.html and Baby Whisperer: Sleep Cues : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/10/baby-whisperer-sleep-cues.html). Also, once the eating portion of the growth spurt is over, the sleeping portion begins. Your baby will be more tired.
WEEK FIVE:Your baby is between 4-5 weeks old. The babies who did not become more alert in week four often do in week five. Again, you add a waketime to your day, but if your baby is more alert, you might be able to add two. You will be up to four if you are doing one per day, and five if you have done more than one during a week. Kaitlyn was sleepy, so we just dropped one. We added the waketime following her 6:30 PM feeding. This was a time for the family to be together and also get ready for bed.
RULE 6: If you find your baby is really sleepy, you can prolong the addition of another feeding if needed. Perhaps you will take two weeks to add one waketime to the day. Maybe a week and a half. If your baby is very alert, you can add more than one waketime to the day, just be cautious to not add too may at one time. These strategies are not set in stone. Adapt them as useful to your family.
WEEK SIX:Your baby is between 5-6 weeks old. You can again add a waketime to the day if you are still working on it. This should complete your waketimes. Your baby's optimal waketime lengths might be extending also, so be mindful of that. Also, 6 weeks is another growth spurt time. The last waketime I added was after her 1:00 PM feeding. One reason for this is that for the first four weeks, I napped at this time since Brayden was napping. Another is that it was her hardest time of day to stay awake.
You should now be done! If not, continue adding waketimes as needed. Again, your baby might need to start slowly, but can add them quickly as she gets older. She might need to take things more slowly. Take things at her pace. Each baby is different. Don't feel stressed out to add all waketimes all at once. It will all come with time.

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 6-7 Months? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

60-75 minutes: 1 vote (1%)
75-90 minutes: 7 votes (8%)
1.5-1.75 hours: 9 votes (10%)
1.75-2 hours: 30 votes (34%)
2-2.25 hours: 26 votes (30%)
2.25-2.5 hours: 7 votes (8%)
2.5 hours or more: 6 votes (6%)

Total of 86 votes

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 5-6 Months? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

60 minutes or less: 2 votes (1%)
60-75 minutes: 12 votes (10%)
75-90 minutes: 19 votes (16%)
1.5-1.75 hours: 21 votes (18%)
1.75-2 hours: 37 votes (32%)
2-2.25 hours: 17 votes (14%)
2 hours 15 minutes or more: 7 votes (6%)

Total of 115 votes

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 4-5 Months? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

50-60 minutes: 9 votes (6%)
60-70 minutes: 14 votes (9%)
70-80 minutes: 14 votes (9%)
80-90 minutes: 36 votes (24%)
1.5-1.75 hours: 29 votes (19%)
1.75-2 hours: 35 votes (23%)
2 hours or more: 12 votes (8%)

Total of 149 votes

What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 3-4 Months? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

50-60 minutes: 14 votes (8%)
60-70 minutes: 45 votes (28%)
70-80 minutes: 32 votes (20%)
80-90 minutes: 39 votes (24%)
90-100 minutes: 20 votes (12%)
1 hour 45 minutes or longer: 7 votes (4%)

Total of 157 votes

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 8-12 Weeks? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

30-50 minutes: 15 votes (11%)
50-60 minutes: 39 votes (29%)
60-70 minutes: 33 votes (24%)
70-80 minutes: 24 votes (17%)
80-90 minutes: 13 votes (9%)
90 minutes or more: 10 votes (7%)

Total of 134 votes

Optimal Waketime Lengths

Optimal Waketime Lengths. How to get your baby to take great naps. This post walks you through how long baby should be awake at each age and how to know the signs that baby is ready for sleep.

One of the most important steps to getting your baby to sleep well is to have waketime length correct. It can take time to master, but I have put years of experience and many polls into posts to help you get there as fast as possible.

Optimal Waketime Lengths. How to get your baby to take great naps. This post walks you through how long baby should be awake at each age and how to know the signs that baby is ready for sleep.

It might surprise you to realize there can be a wide variation of optimal lengths among babies. Below are some poll results from readers of this blog. These poll results really illustrate the fact that every baby is different. There are averages and there are most commons, but ultimately it is up to you to figure out what is the optimal waketime length for your baby.

What is Optimal Waketime Length?

  • Optimal means your baby goes down for a nap relatively easily without much crying. This is more applicable for younger babies or babies just starting sleep training. Some babies cry more than others during sleep training. Sometimes the non-criers randomly have a hard time settling down. Many times this is related to over-tiredness and over-stimulation. Keep notes of waketime lengths and activities to see if there is a pattern with good naps and not-so-good naps.
  • Optimal means your baby takes the appropriate length of nap for the age and cycle length. If your baby is waking early, then she is likely awake too long before the nap. See Easy Nap Fix
  • Optimal means your baby goes to sleep rather quickly. This is more applicable to older babies who are past sleep training. If your baby suddenly starts playing for long periods before naps, then you likely need to extend your waketime. Even 5 minutes can do the trick.
  • Optimal means your baby wakes up from a nap and is happy. Granted many babies (especially newborns) wake up crying because they are hungry, but once you feed your baby, she should be a happy baby. Many babies will get fussy as the next nap approaches, which is fine.
  • Optimal means your baby can focus during playtime. A well-rested baby can focus.
  • Optimal means your baby is able to maintain waketimes happily throughout the day. Typically, waketimes get longer throughout the day, not shorter. If waketimes are progressively getting shorter, then earlier waketimes might be too long. If you have a newborn, waketimes are typically about the same length all day long.

What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 6-8 Weeks? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

30-40 minutes: 8 votes (10%)
40-50 minutes: 17 votes (22%)
50-60 minutes: 28 votes (35%)
60- 70 minutes: 17 votes (22%)
70-80 minutes: 5 votes (6%)
80 minutes or more: 4 votes (5%)

Total of 79* votes

*I don't know if anyone else had major difficulty voting this week, but I did. It never would let me vote, so I added my vote in.

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 4-6 Weeks? (waketime length includes feeding time)?

Results:

30 minutes: 5 votes (5%)
30-40 minutes: 6 votes (6%)
40-50 minutes: 27 votes (31%)
50-60 minutes: 27 votes (31%)
60- 70 minutes: 10 votes (11%)
70 minutes or more: 11 votes (12%)

Total of 86 votes

Poll Results: What was/is baby's approximate optimal waketime length for ages 0-4 Weeks? (waketime length includes feeding time)

Results:

15-20 minutes: 10 votes (7%)
20-30 minutes: 13 votes (10%)
30-40 minutes: 27 votes (20%)
40-50 minutes: 46 votes (35%)
50-60 minutes: 24 votes (18%)
60 minutes or more: 9 votes (6%)

Total of 129 votes

How to Know When it is Time to Extend Waketime Length Between Naps

How to Know When it is Time to Extend Waketime Length Between Naps


How to Know When it is Time to Extend Waketime Length Between Naps

What do you do if your baby/toddler/child suddenly stops going right to sleep for naps? If your baby starts playing in the crib before the nap is supposed to start, then it is likely you need to extend waketime length. Before you do extend waketime, though, consider some things:
  • Did you put baby down at the normal time? If not, try putting baby down at the same time as usual the next day and see if it continues.
  • Is this a continuing trend? Sometimes baby will just stay up one day. If it is a few days, though, then baby likely needs a longer waketime.
  • Is baby learning a new skill? When baby is learning a new skill, often times naps will be disrupted. See: Playing in the Crib/Bed and Nap Disruptions: Rolling, Standing, Crawling, etc:
  • Is baby teething? Sick? Ear infection?
  • Is baby over tired? This is a tricky part. If baby was up too long, then there will also likely be playing in the bed before naptime because a second wind will have entered. That is why I say if baby starts playing in crib despite a normal waketime length, consider extending waketime.
  • Are conditions the same as usual? Same temperature, noise level, etc.
Once you have considered those items, decide if you think it is time to extend waketime length. If so, your next decision is how much to extend it by. With Kaitlyn, I extend only 5 minutes and see how that goes. That is usually enough for her. With Brayden, we usually did about 15 minutes. As you get to know your baby, you will have a better idea of what to do, but I would recommend you err on the side of caution since too much waketime will result in poor sleep.

If your baby is not to the point of waking up happy, he might cry instead of playing before a nap. But use caution with the younger babies because usually crying (that isn't normal) means too much waketime.

When you are extending waketime, I recommend that you do not force longer waketime. Follow the cues of your child. If you force a longer waketime before baby is ready, you are likely to have a shorter nap.

See also:
How to Know When it is Time to Extend Waketime Length Between Naps

How to Know When it is Time to Extend Waketime Length Between Naps


Helpful Routine Information for a Great Baby Routine

Helpful Routine Information for a Great Baby Routine. Get your Babywise baby on a great schedule. 


Helpful Routine Information for a Great Baby Routine. Get your Babywise baby on a great schedule.


It is always helpful to see what people do to help get great sleep and routines for their babies. Here are some guidelines followed by Babywise moms. There are some discrepancies between the chart and the book, so I have noted those differences. You can always tweak things as needed if what is listed in the book isn't ideal for your baby. Remember, your schedule is here to serve you.

Phase One: 1 – 2 months (Stabilization Period)

0-2 weeks
  • 2.5-3 hour cycle
  • 7-8 feedings (however, in Babywise it says 8-10 feedings in a 24 hour period)
  • 6-8 naps (though I think it can be 5-8 naps)
  • Nap are 1 hour -1.5 hours long
  • Waketime is 15-30 minutes long (I am not sure if this included feeding time; I find it to be more like 15-45 minutes long--many two week olds will stay awake only long enough to eat, which is why there is the 15 minute length)
  • Sample schedule from this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 00 am
    1:00 pm
    4:00 pm
    7:00 pm
    *10:00 pm
    *1:00 am
    *4:00 am
    (If it were me, I would have 2.5 time intervals in the day so there are at most 2 night feedings...I consider 10 pm to be night feeding).
3-8 weeks
  • 3-3.5 hour feeding cycle (However, in Babywise it says between weeks 5-8, your baby might be ready to eat every 2.5-3.5 hours. So I would say 2.5-3 hour until 5 weeks, then maybe 2.5-3.5 if baby is ready)
  • 6-8 feedings (However, in Babywise it says between weeks 5-8, your baby might be able to go down to 7 feedings in a 24 hour period--but only after she starts sleeping 7-8 hours at night. It also says not to go down to 6 feedings until after 8 weeks old)
  • 5-6 naps (though the exact number is going to depend on how many feedings you have in the daytime)
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours long (though I would add that they can be as short as 1 hour if you are still on a 2.5 hour cycle)
  • Waketime is 30-45 minutes (though I think some might be able to go as long as one hour)
  • Sample schedule from this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 00 am
    1:00 pm
    4:00 pm
    7:00 pm
    *10:00 pm
    *1:00 to 3:00 am
    *Additional am [possible]
Phase Two: 3-4 months (Extended Night Period)
9-15 Weeks
  • 3-4 hour feeding cycle (though Babywise says this shouldn't happen until weeks 12-15 at the earliest. So I would say anywhere from 2.5-3.5 hour cycle, moving possibly toward 4 hour cycle at the end of this phase)
  • 5-6 feedings in a 24 hour period (Though Babywise says starting at 13 weeks, your baby should be at 5-7 feedings a day)
  • 4-5 naps (though exact number does depend on number of daytime feedings)
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours long (though Babywise does say 1.5 hours)
  • Waketime is 30-60 minutes long (some babies might be able to move up to 1.5 hour waketime, and most should be able to do 60 minutes total at least)
  • Sample schedule for this period: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 30 am
    2:00 pm
    5:30 pm
    *9:00 pm
    *(11:30 pm)
    Sleeping through the night!!!! The goal! (STTN means Baby can gradually move to 9-10 hours of continuous sleep if breastfed, 11 hours if bottlefed. I will also add, you don't want to extend your routine until baby is sleeping through the night. You also don't want to extend it until that dreamfeed is dropped, so that 11:30 feeding would be gone before you dropped daytime feedings. You want long, continuous sleep at night for optimal development. So, if this were me, I would have a 7:30 feeding right before bed. I also wouldn't have that 9 and 11:30 feedings. If baby needed an extra feeding, I would shorten the daytime schedule back to three hours to work the right number of feedings in).
Phase Three: 4-5 Months (Extended Day Period)
Helpful Routine Information for a Great Baby Routine. Get your Babywise baby on a great schedule.

16-24 Weeks
  • 4 hour feeding cycle (though I will point out that not all babies are there yet, so don't stress if yours isn't)
  • 4-5 feedings (though Babywise says 4-6 liquid feedings)
  • 3 naps
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours in length
  • Waketime is 45-75 minutes (could possibly be 1.5 and maybe even two hours--but be aware if longer waketimes start creating shorter naps--I also think babies this age will be able t do at least 60 minutes of waketime)
  • Sample Schedule for this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    8:00 am
    12: 00 pm
    4:00 pm
    *8:00 pm
Phase Four: 5 Months and Older (Extended Routine Period)25 weeks and older
  • Family Cycle (this means baby will align meals with the family. Be aware that you need 4-5 liquid feedings. Most babies will stick with that 4 hour routine until close to a year)
  • 2 naps a day (however, this doesn't happen until 6 months at the earliest. By 6 months, Babywise says most babies can drop that third nap. Babywise II says a 6 month old will need 2 naps and a catnap (short nap). I have found Babywise II to be more accurate for my children. Both Babywise II and Toddlerwise say that by 8 months, most babies will be able to drop that 3rd nap (catnap). Remember, you are the parent. If you have a big sleeper and she is still sleeping well at night, you don't need to eliminate that nap.)
  • Waketime of 60-90 minutes (though baby will be able to move to at least 2 hours and longer during this time period)
  • Sample Schedule for this age:
    8:00 am + solids
    12: 00 pm + solids
    5:00 pm + solids
    *8:00 pm
Be sure to check out this post for all Babywise Milestones as listed in the book: Babywise Milestones
Also, for more sample schedules, see this post: Sample Schedules
Helpful Routine Information for a Great Baby Routine. Get your Babywise baby on a great schedule.

Waketime When Baby Wakes Early


Many moms wonder what to do about waketime when baby wakes early from sleeping. This is a situation where it pays to know your child well. Here are some factors to consider:
  • Age. The older your baby, the more likely baby can just stay awake until close to the normal nap time, if not right until the normal nap time. With young babies, however, babies seem to need X amount of minutes of waketime.
  • Time. This would include time of day and also how early baby woke up. Most babies can handle a longer waketime in the evening, so if he woke early from an afternoon or evening nap, you might be able to make it until bedtime or the next nap. If baby woke 15 minutes early from the nap, there is a better chance he will make it to the next nap time than if he woke up an hour early.
  • Length. I use this category to point out that if the nap that was woken early from was quite short, he will likely need to go down for the next nap early, and perhaps with a shorter waketime than usual. If he is not as well rested as he usually is, he might not be able to make it the usual length of time.
  • Activity. If your baby wakes early but will stay in his bed and play, he can likely handle a longer waketime out of the crib than if he were to get out of his crib right away. If they are in the crib, they are still getting some rest.
All of these factors work together to create the answer to the question "How long should waketime be when he wakes early?" It is up to you to observe these factors (and any others you know to exist for your child) and determine what is the right move. If your child shows you sleepy cues, follow those cues in putting him down, even if it is earlier than that nap would last.
Take note that many times the baby will take a longer than usual nap following a short nap to make up for the lost sleep at the short nap. So, if your child is one who will do catch up, putting him down early is a good idea to maintain your feeding schedule.
Remember that keeping your child up too long will backfire. He will most likely take another short nap if he went down too late.
Kaitlyn has pretty much woken up at consistent times her whole life. When she was a young baby, she went down after she had been up for X number of minutes. As she got older, I would put her down early for the next nap or for bed. She usually then slept extra and woke at the normal wake time. At 12 months, she now basically goes down at the same time her nap usually is if she wakes early. She might go down 10-15 minutes early if she is tired, but most of the time she is just up until nap time.
Reader Questions:
  • John and Amanda said...
    Welcome back! I was hoping for your insight on a sleep/nap problem I’ve been having with my son.His previous schedule was:
    Waketime 7am
    naptime 9am
    waketime 11am
    naptime 1pm
    waketime 3pm
    bedtime 7pm
    His naps were always a solid 2 hours with rare exceptions (and usually those exceptions meant a slightly longer nap, not shorter). He is currently 9.5 months old, can crawl, stand, and sit (I tell you this because I know BW mentions the phase where they learn new skills and want to try them out rather than sleep).Lately, he has been waking up at 6am instead of 7am. I know that 11 hours of sleep is still a great night, but I’m not sure if I should just accept this new waketime and roll with it or keep working to get him to go until 7am. I leave him in his crib until as close to 7am as possible before he melts down and cries…the crying will wear him out to where he won’t make it to his next scheduled naptime (9am). This started 3 weeks ago and I’ve tried moving his bedtime earlier and it has not made a bit of difference. And his room is as dark as I can get it with black out curtains.Also, his naps (both morning and afternoon) have been getting shorter. Around 1 to 1.5 hours usually and NO more…ever! As long as he is not becoming overtired (and he isn’t) I try to keep him up till his next schedule nap (or as close as possible). I’ve tried putting him down sooner, too and he still only naps for about 1.5 hours at the most. He seems well rested and ready to get up and makes it to his next nap just fine. There isn’t a lot of info in BW about the transition between one and two naps a day, although I know my son is much too young for only one nap. Do you think he is starting to make that gradual transition? Should I worry about his shorter naps and nighttime sleep and just assume he is getting to where he needs less sleep, or should I do some training of some kind to keep him on the schedule I currently have?Your insight is greatly appreciated!Amanda
    April 23, 2008 9:49 PM
    John and Amanda said...
    I'm guessing from your latest post on waking early, your advice to me would be that if he seems fine with it and is not over tired and makes it to his next nap... just roll with it! :) Like I said, my best guess as to why he suddenly seems to need less sleep (because he is functioning and happy with less sleep) is that he is slowly moving toward one nap a day... I guess I can't expect him to sleep 12 hours every night and take 2, 2 hour naps every day for the next 2 years!!! :) 11 hours at night and 2, one+ hour naps a day is still good! Thanks!
    April 24, 2008 6:27 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    I would stick with your schedule. My guess is it is a phase and not that he is ready to phase out that nap. 14 months is the earliest to drop that nap--so you are a ways off of that. I would continue to plan for a 1-5-2 hour nap and 10-12 hours at night and he should snap back at some point :)
    April 24, 2008 9:55 PM
    John and Amanda said...
    Thanks? He will stay in the crib and play most of the time, and I leave him in there as long as I can. I'll keep doing it. Today he slept till 6:30am, but I think it was because it was rainy this morning and therefore darker... :)April 24, 2008 10:44 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    That sun does make a difference. You might even consider seeing if you can darken his room a bit. My kids are both sun risers.
    April 25, 2008 9:42 AM

Waketime: Length, Extending, and Calculating

How to determine how long your Babywise baby's waketime length should be. How to know when to extend baby's waketime length, how to calculate baby's waketime length.

How to determine how long your Babywise baby's waketime length should be. How to know when to extend baby's waketime length, how to calculate baby's waketime length.

Parents often have questions about waketime length. How long should waketime be for my X month old? How do I extend it? I am going to give one of the most-despised answers to that. It depends on the child.

It really does! At 5 months old, Brayden, my oldest, would stay awake for 2 hours. Conversely, Kaitlyn, my second, could not stay awake longer than 1 hour. So how long can/should your baby stay awake? This is one of those things you are going to have to determine for yourself.

How to Determine Waketime Length

You can tell the needed waketime through a few indicators.
  • One is how long your baby can stay happy.
  • Another is how well your baby sleeps.
  • A third is how long it takes baby to fall asleep.
  • Follow your baby's sleep cues, assuming she has them.
  • And yet another way to tell is the amount of time before the next feeding. You want baby to go down in time to get the appropriate nap length before the next scheduled feeding.
    If you are on a 3 hour schedule but your child can stay awake longer than one hour, just make sure they are getting 1-1.5 hours of sleep. If your baby is 9 weeks or older, you want at least 1.5 hour naps. Once you move to a 3.5+ schedule, naps can be 2-2.5 hours in length.
There are guidelines in how long to expect a baby to stay up. A young baby (2 months or younger) can pretty assuredly only do 45-60 minutes of waketime. Remember, weeks 16-24 (about 4-6 months) are called Extended Day in Babywise. This is the time period many babies extend their waketime.

When To Extend Waketime Length

Now on to extending waketime. Don't force your child to stay up. Wait until they are ready to extend. How do you know if she is ready to extend?
  • Again, watch for your baby's sleep cues to know when she needs to go down.
  • A good indicator of the child being ready to extend waketime is when she plays in her bed instead of going to sleep. This needs to be something consistent, though. If I get Kaitlyn down late, she will often play for a while before falling asleep. But if you are putting baby down the same time every day and she plays for X amount of time every day, then you can bet she is ready to stay up longer.
  • If you are moving to a longer schedule (for example, from 3 to 4 hours), your baby might be able to stay up longer. Other babies move schedules and just take longer naps. It will depend on your baby's need for sleep and ability to stay awake successfully.

How to Calculate Waketime Length

How to determine how long your Babywise baby's waketime length should be. How to know when to extend baby's waketime length, how to calculate baby's waketime length.Many moms are unsure of how to calculate waketime. Waketime starts the minute baby wakes up and ends the minute baby goes down for a nap. Waketime includes feeding time, even for a newborn. Yes, the time awake is so short, but it is what they need. Pretty soon baby will be staying up long hours and playing with you. It just gets more and more fun.

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Reader Waketime Length Questions:

  • gormanhq said...
    My second baby is 4 weeks old and we just started to really try to implement BW yesterday. Although I implemented many of the aspects of BW with my first (now age 3), this time around I thought I would just go with the flow (trusting my instincts--ha ha) and with the holidays, it was too hectic to try implementing the schedule from day one. Mostly all I did was focus on a full feeding and try to get some waketime in. But, our schedule was different each day and varied from 2-3 hours between feedings. Finally, I was fed up and got the book out for a refresher. Yesterday went fairly well as far as starting a schedule, and fortunately this baby goes to sleep on her own without much fussing. However, she has very sleepy times, where it is almost impossible to get her to have any "waketime". I can usually get her to take a full feeding, but she sometimes just refuses to wake up after. So, she'll sleep nearly the entire 3 hour cycle, but then she often wants to be up for the entirety of the next 3 hour period (maybe falling asleep only 20 minutes before the next feeding). Then, she'll be exhausted and want to sleep the next cycle through, starting all over again. Any suggestions on how to break this? How much total waketime should a 4 week old baby be expected to have (ballpark?). Also, though she sleeps very soundly during her daytime naps, she is very restless at night (making it very difficult for me to get any quality sleep). Any suggestions for helping her sleep more soundly at night, or will this just come with time? (for the first 2 weeks she was a bit flip-flopped on her days/nights and seems to still be getting her best sleep during the day).Thanks!
    December 29, 2007 1:25 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    I would say your average 4 week old can do about 45 minutes of waketime. Some may be able to do 1 hour. And not all waketimes are created equal. Some might be longer (evening perhaps) and others shorter (morning). You really do want to keep her awake for waketime so she will be more tired for naptime. I would suggest taking it one waketime at a time like I say in the post, but move faster than one a week. By four weeks you should be close to having waketime for each time period.Newborns do grow out of their extremely noisy sleeping, and mothers vary on how well they can sleep through it. I, myself, am not a sound sleeper, so the noisy baby simply prevents me from sleeping. I use earplugs and can still hear the baby when she cries, but not so much the groans and such.
    December 30, 2007 2:17 PM
  • sarah said...
    Okay, we got the bedtime thing down. Thanks for your advice! We were right there, I just needed the right opinion of a BW mom to help me out! My baby boy (4 mths) has slept from 8-8 two nights in a row! He wakes up a few times during the night but falls back asleep in about 5 minutes so hopefully that will eventually disappear.Now onto naps which I never really thought about even after BW because I concentrated on the feedings so much (1st timer :)). He was napping 1.5 hours after feedings consistently but only sleeping for 45min.-1hour and would only do that twice a day. He was then eating every 2.5-3 hours because of the short naps. I started reading again about sleeping and realized his naps should be longer and he should have 3 naps that last 1.5-2.5 hours. The CIO worked a couple of times after he awoke 45 minutes in, but not consistently. So if I do the math correctly and drop back to 1 hr. 15 min. after feedings to see if he will take those longer naps, and try for a third one, does that mean that he will only be up about 6 hours each day? Is that right and normal? Just seeing if that is correct because I really want my little boy to be happy and well rested and right now, our evenings are NOT that at all! He begins to get really fussy around 6 p.m. and stays that way until we start his bedtime routine. Please share some more advice. Thank you so much. I really have learned a lot from your site.
    January 30, 2008 9:04 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    Congrats on the nighttime sleep! That was a fast turnaround.The exact amount of sleep and waketime for each baby will vary based on individual needs, so you will have to see what is best for him. My first slept on the low end of average for babies, and my second sleeps on the high end. If your is a high end, that sounds about right. I would recommend seeing Easy Nap Fix and then looking at troubleshooting naps, which is linked off of the Easy Nap Fix. Those two posts can give you ideas for fixing nap problems. Good luck!
    January 31, 2008 8:45 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    Troubleshooting naps isn't referenced in Easy Nap Fix, it is the other way around Troubleshooting Naps
    January 31, 2008 8:47 AM

Sleepy Newborns

Nursing a newborn is not easy. They tend to fall asleep after they get a bit of food in their tummies. I am sure it is the same story with bottle-fed babies. The day will come when they stay awake and eat, but what do you do until then? You are trying to start the Babywise schedule from the beginning and it is taking what little energy you have to keep the baby up just to eat, much less play afterward!

I only have experience with one child on this. I started Brayden at 9 weeks, and frankly he did not have a problem of not waking up, it was quite the opposite, so some of you may be wondering what on earth I am talking about and how you can get some of that in your life. They just come that way, and yes, in my opinion the sleepy one is easier than the wide awake one.

With Kaitlyn, I worked on one wake time a day each week. She always fell asleep during feedings, and so I just worked on getting her to stay awake for one wake time each week. For example, for the first week I just really focused on keeping her awake after the first feeding. The remainder I let her do what she did. If she fell asleep, I put her in her bed. The last wake time I worked on was after her 1:00 pm feeding. It was a hard one for her! I know that at 4 weeks she was still zonking after that and stayed asleep until I woke her for her next feeding. I can't remember her exact age when she started being able to stay awake for that one, but it was definitely older than 4 weeks.

How do you keep them awake?
  • It requires all of your focus and energy
  • Rubbing her shoulders
  • Cool rag or cold wet wipe
  • Sitting her up
  • Talking, singing, etc.
  • Change her diaper between sides or halfway through the bottle
  • Tickle
Even after all that, there are no guarantees. It is just a difficult time. It will take some time, but the more you work on keeping her awake for a full feeding, the better she will get at it. It is worth the effort. You want a full feeding and you want to get her to stay awake during waketimes in order to sleep better at night.
Reader Advice:
  • Rachel Stellaaa said...
    What I found to work the best with my sleepy baby (tickling him etc was not effective) was to not keep him too warm and wrapped up when I was feeding him, and when he started to fall asleep, put him beside me (or the floor, whatever you like) unwrapped and he would probably kick around and fuss for a second because he wanted to be nice and snug again, which would then wake him up enough to eat again. Sometimes I would have to do this several times throughout a feed.
    May 23, 2008 9:33 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    Oh yes, Rachel. I have found that to be true also. Thanks for pointing that out!
    May 26, 2008 10:03 AM
Reader Questions:
  • Catherine said...
    I am having a random problem at night! My son eats and falls asleep lying on me. Then when I move him to his crib, he stays asleep while I move him, although he jostles a little, bit then when he hits the crib he startles awake (I can see him and hear him startle) and can't get back to sleep. The other night I let him CIO but he went 1.5 hrs intermittently crying and just couldn't do it. Finally I just had to put him in the swing bc he was so worked up. This has been happening for the last few weeks- really since he came out of the extremely sleepy, can't wake for anything, newborn phase. It's really frustrating though and really messes up our nights! Any thoughts anyone?
    March 4, 2008 10:42 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    Kaitlyn did that a few times. Be sure he is getting a full feeding in--if he falls asleep before he is done eating, wake him to finish. That way you know he is full. As he learns to soothe himself, he will get better about it. Hang in there!
    March 4, 2008 1:42 PM
    Catherine said...
    Thanks Valerie. What did you do when Kaitlyn did that?
    March 5, 2008 10:51 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    It was never consistent for her, I think one time we tried rocking her to no avail so I just fed her. Another time we did the swing, that worked. Then we just moved her up to her bed after she fell asleep and she somehow stayed asleep. It is all a normal part of the learning process. Stay consistent and hang in there! Things will start to improve and you will have less to worry about at a a time :)
    March 5, 2008 10:51 AM