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The Babywise Four Hour Schedule

When your baby is young, you will typically feed your baby every 2.5-3 hours throughout the day. As your baby gets older, he will be able to extend that time interval and eventually land at the 4 hour schedule. This post outlines when and how to implement a Babywise Four Hour Schedule.

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When
Your baby might be ready for a four hour schedule when the following are true:
  • Baby is at least 12 weeks old. Baby needs to be old enough to go 4 hours between feedings both for the length between feedings and also because going 4 hours between feedings means dropping the number feedings in a day. 
  • Baby is sleeping through the night with no feedings. You may or may not have a dreamfeed when your baby moves to a four hour schedule. Your baby should be going 8-12 hours at night without a feeding before you consider a four hour feeding schedule.
  • Baby is ready to eat 4-5 times a day. Your baby is probably eating 5-6 times a day if you are considering a four hour schedule. Once you are on a four hour schedule, your baby will eat four times during the day. You might have a fifth if you still have a dreamfeed. 
  • Baby is asleep every time you get him for the next feeding. If your baby is still asleep at every feeding on your current 3-3.5 hour feeding, there is a good chance it is time for a four hour schedule. 
  • Baby can have a longer waketime or longer naps. To have a four hour feeding schedule, your baby needs to be able to stay awake for 2 hours and then sleep for 2 hours, OR baby needs to be able to stay awake for 1.5 hours and then nap for 2.5 hours. Some babies might be up for 2.5 hours and then nap for 1.5 hours. 
  • Baby isn't hungry when eating every 3-3.5 hours. If baby isn't hungry yet at 3-3.5 hours, he might be ready for a longer feeding schedule.
  • You feel like it is time. Never discount your parental intuition. If you just really feel like it is time, give it a try and see how it goes. You can always go back to the 3-3.5 hour schedule if the 4 hour schedule was not right. 
If your baby is not ready, do not stress and push moving to the four hour schedule. Your baby will get there when he is ready. Also, remember a combo schedule is perfectly acceptable. You might find your baby can go four hours in between the first two feedings, but needs the remainder of the feedings to be every 3 hours. That is totally fine.
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How
If you feel confident it is time to move to a four hour schedule, you might be wondering how to make it happen.

You will first need to either keep baby awake longer for playtime or let baby sleep longer for naps. This will ensure baby can get to a four hour feeding interval. If you try to keep baby awake longer and naps stop going well, go back to the 3-3.5 hour schedule and try the four hour schedule at a later date. 

You can initially let baby sleep longer and slowly add five minutes of waketime to each waketime until you find out how long baby can be awake and still take a good nap (or until you get to a 2 hour waketime with a 2 hour nap time. If you get there, stop and be satisfied). 

Again, if you feel like some intervals need to be 4 hours but others need to be 3 or 3.5, that is perfectly fine.

Once you have moved to the four hour schedule, if your baby starts to be discontent, act hungry, or start waking early from naps or in the night, go back to your old schedule and try for the four hour schedule a later time. 

Conclusion
Moving to a four hour feeding schedule is a glorious milestone. Watch for the readiness signs and give it a try when baby is ready. Do not push the schedule before your baby is ready for it. This is a developmental milestone just as walking is. You cannot successfully force it before baby is ready to do it. 

See Also:
 Dreamfeed FAQs   When to move to a four hour schedule

 Your Babywise Baby first year overview


Reader Questions/Comments to Each Other

Four Hour Schedule

  • LHS Class of 1998 said...
    Hi Heather,I was following your question a few weeks ago to Val about moving to the 4 hrs schedule. I was wondering how that was going because I am running into the same issue. My 6 month old is totally ready for the 4 hr schedule but his naps don't stretch the entire way and I end up having to entertain him for 30-45 minutes before he is ready to eat. I can't feed him at even 3 1/2 hrs because he is not interested in the least but right at 4 hrs he is HUNGRY. This is totally frustrating because our old 3hr schedule was perfect and easy, we have been doing BW since day 1. But it is so nice to know that you are not alone in this wonderful journey!Thanks! (And thanks again Val for creating this wonderful community of Babywise mommies!)Megan
    May 19, 2008 8:43 PM
    heather said...
    Megan...Yes! It's so glad to know we're not alone! :) I have to be honest and say that we're not exclusively on the 4-hour schedule yet. It really depends on her naps! The one difference between our children is that my daughter will eat anytime i offer to nurse her!!! So, whether that be at 3 hours or 4 hours, she's ready to eat! Because of that, I often give in and feed her if she wakes and it's been 3 hours. I've conditioned her so much to expecting to eat when she first wakes that it's hard to put her off for very long, which is another reason I don't make it to the 4 hour mark at times. I need to work on that! How long does your baby stay awake at a time? Just curious! We usually go around 2 hours, except for early evening is usually longer. It seems like her third nap begins/end too early. ???
    May 20, 2008 6:22 AM
    Elizabeth said...
    I also went through Megan's situation with my son (now 7 months). We moved to a 3 1/2 hour schedule at 5 months, and a 4 hour schedule at 6 months. Since then, his naps have not always perfectly ended right at the time of his next meal. At first I was nervous about this, but he was sleeping enough to wake up happy, and wasn't fussing during that "in-between" time. Consequently, I just let him play until it's time to eat, and he does great. As long as he sleeps 90 min to 2 hours, and wakes up happy, I just consider it "bonus" playtime for him (or cuddle time with mommy in the rocking chair!). The most important thing, at least in our home, is that he wakes up well-rested.We also had the 4-month nighttime troubles, even though Noah had previously been sleeping through the night since about 9 weeks. At first I would get up and nurse, and then later switched to giving him his paci instead and he would still fall back asleep once he had it. My doctor (who is a Prep for Parenting supporter) advised me to let him CIO, since he obviously didn't need the calories. He called it a "trained night crier", and that Noah just needed to learn to self-soothe. Sure enough, after about a week of CIO at night he stopped waking up, and has only had troubles since when experiencing occasional growth spurts.
    May 19, 2008 11:27 PM
    LHS Class of 1998 said...
    Thanks Elizabeth for that great perspective! Waking up happy from naps is wonderful even if before the schedule feeding- this was a major step for us because I had my fair share of the 45 minute naps with my son who just wouldn't go back to sleep (with extensive CIO) and ended up cranky.Heather, yes, sounds like we are dealing with the same issues:-) I also felt like I conditioned my son to eat right when he woke up when we were on the 3hr sch, but after a few times of waiting he was fine. He does play happily now until meal time which I was also nervous about as Elizabeth mentioned above. At 6 1/2 months he usually can only stay awake for 2 hrs - 2 1/2 hrs, except the first cycle once he get up in the morning, he can only last about 1 1/2 hrs until his first nap. I am guessing that once these can be extending his wake times and feeding times will match? Anyone else have experience/encouragement they can share?Megan:-)
    May 20, 2008 9:12 AM
Naps
  • Erin Martin said...
    I started my son on BW at 5 weeks. He is now 8 weeks and doing better with napping and night time sleep, paricularly with night time sleep. We are still having troubles with naps ending too soon. I started him on mainly a 3 hr routine to start the day off and ending the day at 2 hrs. This was a suggestion made by a contact mom to help him sleep better at night. So our day starts at 7am then 10am, 1pm, 4pm, 6:30or6:45, 9pm and 11pm, 3:45am or 4am to finish the middle of th night. My son can never make it to the next feeding with the 3 hr schedule during the day but is hard to wake up to feed at 9 and 11pm after he goes down for the night around 7pm. He usually stays awake about 1 hour (including eating) during the day and then will sleep about 1- 1.5 hrs (sometimes with intermittant crying, but lessening as we go) leaving us with 1/2 to 1 hr before he's hungry. Most times I let him CIO because I know he's not hungry but rarely I will get him up. I feel bad not knowing if he's really still tired and should CIO or if he's ready to get up or if I should shorten his waketime to 45min. I've tried shortening waketime a few times but he still wakes up earlier and it may be due to us starting BW late. He will usually fuss after I get him up so I feel he's still tired, so maybe he just needs longer with CIO since he isn't hungry sooner than 3hrs or should I decrease his intake and go to 2.5 hrs and see if he's hungrier then? Maybe I should give it more time at the 3hr schedule or will I confuse him by switching to a 2.5 hr schedule of 7am, 9:30am, 12pm, 2:30pm, 5:00, 7:30, 10pm and Middle of Night feeding? I know I would be skipping a feeding in the evening but he is hard to wake for the 9pm and 11pm feeding anyways and isn't that interested in eating. I know we started BW late, but should I expect him to sleep through the night soon since he's be only getting up once during the night between 11pm and 7am since he was 6 weeks? He is also consistently waking at 3:45/4am everynight and doesn't seem that hungry at that time either and referring to the book, I feel he may be one of those babies stuck on an internal clock, but I don't want to let him CIO at night unless he's ready. He's over 14lbs now, so he's larger than most babies his age and seems to be doing many things more quickly than most babies, but I want to be realistic in my expectations. I just want to do what is right by my son. Any help you can offer is much appreciate.Erin
    October 20, 2008 7:18 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    Stephanie, Jenny, and Erin, I apologize--I missed all of your comments until now! If you are still having trouble, please let me know.
    November 10, 2008 3:28 PM
    bando966 said...
    Erin Martin,I read your last post on 10/20 and was wondering how your are doing now? I'm experiencing a similar situation with my 6 week old and wanted to see if you had made any progress and if so, what worked for you?Thanks!
    November 10, 2008 8:06 AM
    Erin Martin said...
    bando966,My son is going to be 12 weeks tomorrow and doing so much better.He started lengthening his naps to stretch our 3 hr schedule and I actually have to wake him half of the time. I'm not sure if there was a trick to it. I think since we started BW late it just took a little longer to get into a routine. One thing I did do, was when he would wake early and wouldn't go back to sleep after 10-15 mins of CIO, I would just get him up and play until feeding time. I thought it might mess up our schedule but it has worked out well and like I said, he usually sleeps straight through to the next feeding. I'm glad I did not change to a 2.5 hr schedule because he does not need to eat that often. I also did not keep up feeding him at 9pm and 11pm. It got to be too much for him to eat. Our schedule is:7a, 10a, 1p, 4p, 7p, 10:30p He has also been sleeping around 7-8 hours at night for the past 2 weeks. I had to let him CIO a couple of nights since he was stuck at waking 3:45am and not wanting to eat, so I knew he was one of the babies stuck on his internal clock. I am preparing to drop his 10:30p feeding in the next few weeks after he's been STTN longer. He's usually hard to wake then and not seeming too hungry so I think it shouldn't be too difficult. BW seemed difficult to implement in the beginning but has gradually become the structure my son and I needed. Let me know how things go. Erin
    November 16, 2008 8:10 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    Erin, I am glad things have improved for you!
    November 22, 2008 4:16 PM
Night Issues
  • Libby said...
    Hi.I have a 4 1/2 month old who sleeps well during the day. He has a little cry, then soothes himself and straight off to sleep. But at night time he is very unsettled and doesn't want to go to sleep. At about 5 or 6 I give him a bath, then massage, and then put him down for a nap. He has a big cry, and gets really worked up. After about 40mins I go into his room and put a pacifier in and hold his hand and stroke his forehead. He takes a while to calm down but then does go to sleep till his late night feed. Why doesn't he settle himself at night? and any ideas of what to do?
    October 23, 2008 8:06 AM
    Beth said...
    Hi Libby-He may be ready to give up that late night nap. I was just looking back through my copy of Babywise and it is around 4 months that babies can go to 3 naps a day and give up the late afternoon/early night nap. It might help to try it and see.
    October 23, 2008 11:50 AM
    Libby said...
    Hi Beth,thanks for your comment. I had thought that might be the case. He is showing tired signs, unless that is normal for that time of night (eg. 5-7pm) and I need to just push through it. What time should a 4 1/2month baby be going down to sleep at night? And what routines have worked well?
    October 23, 2008 6:52 PM
    Beth said...
    Libby-My baby is 3 months old, but with my little girl who is almost 3, I did a schedule like this at 4-5 months. I nursed every 3 to 3 hours 15 minutes. I didn't move to a 4 hour schedule nursing until she started eating solids simply because I wanted to be able to keep 5 feedings a day. Some people go down to 4, I just preferred 5 and that worked well for us (I didn't start solids until 6 months). So our schedule looked something like this: 7 am nurse, 8:45 nap, 10:15 nurse, 12 nap, 1:30 nurse, 3:15 nap, 4:45 nurse, maybe a short nap maybe not, between 7:30 and 8 nurse and right to bed. She would then sleep until I got her up around 7 the next morning. When she started solids at 6 months I did 7 nurse, 9 nap, 11 nurse, 1 nap, 3 nurse, short nap around 6, 7 nurse and bedtime at 8. I offered solids at the 7, 11, and 3 nursings after I nursed. We gradually moved to a schedule more like this 7 nurse and breakfast, 9 nap, 11:30 nurse and lunch, 2:00 nap, 5 nurse and dinner, 8 nurse and bedtime and we kept that until she was 1. Hope this helps!!
    October 27, 2008 7:08 AM
    Libby said...
    Beth,Hi, thanks for the info about routines, etc.. it has been very helpful and has given me confidence with what I am doing at the moment with routines. Since holding off his sleep times late afternoon he has been going to sleep without all that crying. He still has a short sleep of about 30mins then wakes for a feed at about 7-8pm, then sleeps all night. Thanks again
    October 29, 2008 1:17 AM
Solids
  • blessedwife_mom said...
    This blog is such a wonderful resource. Thank you for all of your great topics. I have a question about solids and dreamfeeds. My LO is 5 months old and has slept consistently through the night(8:30pm to 7:00am without a dreamfeed) for about 2 months. Well, a week and a half ago I introduced her to solids and ever since then she has been waking up early between 5:30am and 6:30am. So to intervene, I started doing a dreamfeed at 10:00 or 10:30. The few nights I did not do a dream feed, she woke up early. With the dreamfeed, she will sleep until 7:30am. Is this normal for a baby to wake up starving even when she is eating more now than before? I try to have her eat more during the day, but she is BF and when she stops eating, she will NOT eat more! She has 5 liquid meals a day and 2 solid meals (cereal) a day. Is there a correlation between starting solids and early waking? I don't think it's gas pains. It's hunger. Do you have any suggestions about the dreamfeed? I feel like we have taken a step backward. Also, I had planned on moving to a 4 hour feeding schedule, but I can't if she won't sleep 12 hours at night.
    October 10, 2008 4:04 PM
    Emily said...
    blessedwifemom...I know I'm not the person you asked ;) But I went through this with my second child. Solids do help some kids sleep through the night b/c their tummy is full, but solids actually have WAY less calories than breastmilk or formula. so the baby feels full b/c the solids digest more slowly, so they take less formula/bm, so then they end up getting too few calories and wake up at night!! It isn't a problem for babies who eat plenty, but for those with small appetites, like my daughter, it was enough that it caused sleep problems. SO, we ended up cutting out solids until she was about 8 months old....once she was basically able to reach off the table and get them LOL! She went back to sleeping through the night right after we dropped the solids.So I'd stick with the dreamfeed if you want to continue with solids...seems backwards I know!! But it sounds like that is the issue :)Hope you don't mind my 2 cents!!!Emily
    October 10, 2008 4:48 PM

Poll Results: Did you drop the dreamfeed (DF) first or move to a 4 hour schedule first?

Dropped the DF first
  162 (48%)
 
Moved to 4 hour first
  119 (35%)
 
Never did DF
  54 (16%)
 

Votes so far: 335 

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Various Reader Questions/Requests

BABY GEAR QUESTIONS
  • emily said...
    What do you think about crib mobiles? I thought it would be nice to have something for my daughter to look at when she wakes up from naps and nigh time. Do you think they're a sleep prop? I don't need it to help her fall asleep, but since it's attached to the crib, it will be there while she's trying to fall asleep.
    March 14, 2008 2:50 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    I think they are great--and I don't view them as a sleep prop at all. I think it is great for them to have something to look at that they can't interfere with. They are some little "friends" :)
    March 15, 2008 9:24 AM
 FAMILY RELATIONS AND BABYWISE
  • susie said...
    Thank you. This [independent playtime] will be my goal for the week. I love reading your blogs daily as another resource and much support for our family. Our daughter is our first and I was not prepared for how much discipline needed on our (parents) end but also how REWARDING it is to watch her grow with BWise principles. My parents don't support BWise but they love to see our daughter become such a great sleeper!!! They just don't agree with the CIO part. So it has been tough. Did you experience this with your family or heard anyone with the similiar story? Anyways, I love all your blogs! They are so HELPFUL!Susie
    March 23, 2008 9:07 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    My parents have always been supportive of the way I parent, even though they didn't do CIO themselves. My husband's parents did CIO. I do know people whose parents don'g agree with the methods their children follow. Hopefully you have a relationship where you can just tell them basically to deal with it, you are the parent and are doing what you beleive to be the best for your child. You can ask them for your support. I hope you are able to have that type of conversation with them; I know I could with my parents, but my husband couldn't with his.
    March 24, 2008 9:44 PM
FOSTER CHILDREN QUESTIONS
  • jessica babcock said...
    I left a comment about a month ago regarding babywise and foster children. Im sure its lost in space somewhere but lo and behold, I need to ask again because my husband and I just got a 1 month old premie addicted to methenfedamines and going thru withdrawls. I want to ecourage quality sleep and do many of the same "babywise" things I did with my now 5 month old. but I realise this is a tottally different ball game and he needs special care for a while. does anyone have expierience and or successs with babywise with abused, neglected or otherwise mistreated babies or children? I feel we are just getting him thru his withdrawls right now but after that I am still a little intimidated. I dont want to screw up. any ideas would be helpfull, thanks
    September 10, 2008 7:40 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    Jessica, I don't have any experience or knowledge about that, so I wouldn't feel qualified giving any advice on the topic. I would try to get in contact with some professionals (which I would assume you have access to with this situation).
    September 15, 2008 11:01 AM
FOUR HOUR SCHEDULE QUESTIONS
  • bradysmom said...
    Hi there. I have a question. I am new to this site - just discovered it today and am so thankful! I have been following BW since birth - my son is now 15 weeks - to the best of my ability, but always have questions. The difference I have is that I only breastfed for 3 weeks, then pumped and gave it to him in a bottle, along with formula, so he's been mostly bottle-fed. 2 weeks ago I stopped pumping and now he is just getting formula. He has been doing great, since birth. Sleeps at least 9 hours at night - goes down just fine at night w/ no coaxing. I feed him, change him, then put him in his crib. He has slept in his crib since 6 weeks. Last Friday (May 16th) I switched from a 3.5 hour routine to a 4 hour routine. He now eats at 9, 1, 5, and 9. I have also started implementing structured nap time. I tried doing wake time for 2 hours, then nap time for 2 hours. Before this, he would wake at 7:30am, have wake time until 8:30/9:00 then go down for a nap until 11:00. After that I let him nap either in his bouncy seat and/or swing, but didn't really enforce napping for a set amount of time, in his crib, since he was doing fine at night (and he wasn't fussy at all during the day).Now that he's on the 4 hour schedule - (it's been 4 whole days) he has consistently been waking up 30-40 minutes into his nap crying. He never cries and has never woke up crying before. I have to go in and soothe him, can usually get him back to sleep but then he wakes up about 5-10 minutes later. It's that 30-50 minute time range into his nap that I have to get him through. After that he will usually sleep the rest of the time. If I get him up at the time he wakes, he's fine and wants to be awake. I'm thinking that he just has to get through that sleep cycle and has to get adjusted to his new routine. Is this the case? Am I doing something wrong? Is it too early to switch him to a 4 hour routine?? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated since the waking up crying is sooo unlike him! Thank you.
    May 20, 2008 12:55 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    I would guess that his waketime is now too long. On the 4 hour schedule, a 2.5 hour long nap. Try putting him down at the time he was going down before you switched and see how that goes.Be sure to visit the blog index and look under the four hour schedule section for more information on when to move over. Good luck!
    May 21, 2008 11:09 PM
  • Cristine said...
    My baby is almost 5 months and he usually goes down at 8, and wakes at 6. I used to wake him at 7, but he always ate at 5, went back to sleep and woke at 7. Now he's not waking at 5 to eat anymore, but at 6, so we start the day then. However, I really wish he would start waking at 7 again. He is still only going 8 hours, max 8 and half without eating during the night. He's also been eating for about 5 min. only every 3 hours (sometimes 10). He's always been a quick eater...but 5 seems so little. Do you think I should start trying to extend his schedule to a 4 hour schedule, to see if he eats more? I realize, though, that babywise says he should be going for at least 10 hours without eating at night to extend the feeding schedule. What do you think?
    May 30, 2008 9:16 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    My daughter was a 4-6 minute nurser at a rather young age, so if his diaper output is normal and weight gain is normal for him, I wouldn't worry about that. I wouldn't extend the schedule until nights are better. BUT some moms extend the schedule before then and baby suddenly sleeps and eats better. If you think he is ready, you could always try it and if it doesn't work, go back.See this post for ideas on how to deal with that 6 AM waketime: Early Morning Feedings Before Waketime: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/01/early-morning-feedings-before-waketime.html
    May 30, 2008 3:15 PM
    Abby's Mom said...
    Cristine - My LO (5.5 months) only eats on one breast at every feeding and for anywhere between 3 and 5 minutes (with the exception of her first feeding in the morning which is more like 8-10 minutes) I had a really hard time accepting that she was getting enough to eat that quickly. However, she is a very chubby baby and has the right amount of wet diapers so I was told not to worry about it. You would be surprised how efficient they can be! I try to look at it as a blessing because I remember how hard it was when she took 45-60 minutes to eat during the first two months. :)
    June 2, 2008 11:21 AM
IMUNIZATION QUESTIONS
  • Lindsay said...
    Did your kids get sick after thier 4 mo. immunizations? If so, how long were they sick? Jack woke up every 2-3 hours again last night! Ugh!
    January 31, 2008 11:38 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    Kaitlyn got sick after her 4 month shots. Brayden got sick after his 2 month shots and his 1 year shots. For both, it was only the next day, but I have heard of some being a few days. No fun!
    January 31, 2008 1:08 PM

Baby Whisperer: Four Hour Schedule


Looking at the bare bones structure of the systems, Babywise and The Baby Whisperer are really almost the same thing. There are, of course, some differences. One is when to move to a four hour schedule.

According to Babywise, the order of events are to first, drop the dreamfeed. After some time (2-4 weeks), you can see if baby is ready for a four hour schedule, going over readiness signs.

According to The Baby Whisperer, the events are to first move to a four hour schedule (at 4 months old) and then drop the dreamfeed (at 8 months old).

Over the last year, I have gotten a lot of questions regarding this scenario. Before McKenna reached four months old, I had questions on "what will you do? Which path will you take?" Once she had passed it, people wondered both what I did and why I did it.

So, here is a post dedicated to The Baby Whisperer and the Four Hour Schedule.

Hoggs 4/4 Plan

Information on this starts on page 33 in The Baby Whisperer Solves All Your Problems. Hogg says essentially that your child changes cognitively at four months old and therefore needs a four hour schedule. Now, take note that she does use words like "Most babies are ready at this point to switch..." (page 33), not all. Even so, the way she writes, I think most parents would read that section and say, "oh, time for the four hour schedule, she hit four months!"

Let me just say that I highly disagree with any statement saying that at X age, your baby is ready for 123. That just doesn't work. Babies are each individuals. I also disagree with pushing to a four hour schedule, which Hogg advocates doing.

I do, however, agree with saying things like 'most babies' are ready for something by a certain age, but I think we need to be careful to be sure to evaluate things as individuals. Hogg doesn't give any other criteria for being ready for the four hour schedule other than age.

I found it preferable to drop the dreamfeed before moving to a four hour schedule with my oldest two. I preferred the Babywise way. That way, you have 10-12 hours of consolidated sleep at a younger age. I also think that staying up for two hours is a stretch for most four month olds, and if you push it, you are likely going to fight against naps for a couple of months until your baby's ability to stay up catches up with your plans. With my last two, however, I did it the Baby Whisperer way. I found it easier to have longer stretches between feedings in the day and take care of other kids.

What We Did
With McKenna, we did move to a four hour schedulebefore we dropped the dreamfeed. This was due to special circumstances. She was ready to drop the dreamfeed at four months old, but we were going to be moving right around the time she turned 5 months old and I didn't want to be in the middle of dropping the dreamfeed when I moved McKenna to a new room in a new house. I wanted to be able to
check on her and check on the room conditions in the night. I just felt better about it.

But it was really hard to not do something at this point. She was ready for a change. At five months old, we found we were a bit delayed in moving, which we really should have planned on. We were working on our new house. My mom would watch McKenna and I would drive to her house to nurse her every few hours. Well, one day, time got away from me and it ended up being a four hour schedule for one interval.

McKenna was reaching all four hour scehdule readiness signs listed in Babywise. I decided that since she was making it, I should just let it go. It wasn't the order I wanted it to happen in, but she needed something to happen. I also figured if the Baby Whisperer suggests it, and she is showing readiness cues, she would be fine.

She didn't, however, stay up for two hours at a time. She just took longer naps. You can see the baby summaries around that age for more info.

Deciding For Yourself
So what should you do? Should you drop the dreamfeed or go to four hours first? Here are my things for you to consider:
  • Cues: Look for signs of readiness for either step. See Dropping the Dreamfeed and When To Move To A Four Hour Schedule for help. Don't go solely by age here. You will create problems if you force something your baby isn't ready for. Combine age with readiness cues.
  • Lifestyle: Which would be best for your family? Would you like to be able to go to bed before the dreamfeed? If so, drop it. Would you like to go on a date with your husband and not have to hurry back for the dreamfeed? If so, drop the dreamfeed. Do you need more time in the day? If so, the four hour schedule would be a good step for you.
In my experience, these two events often happen close to each other unless you do one really early in life (prior to four months old). So if your baby is 4 months or older, chances are the two will happen within a month or so of each other. The older your child, the shorter the distance. Kaitlyn was just before seven months old when we did each, and we did them a couple of days apart.

In the end, go with what you feel is best for your baby and your family. I don't think it really matters what you do first, so long as you are doing it following readiness cues.

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Baby Summary: Week 25

first taste of peas
This was a week of big changes for McKenna. Here we go.

NURSING
Everything is still good. She is a little faster. She probably takes about ten minutes per feeding these days, but I don't really keep track anymore.

NIGHTIME SLEEP
This continues to be the same and wonderful. I still wake her up at eight each morning.

SOLIDS
This week I introduced McKenna to her first green vegetable: peas. She liked them.

ROLLING
This week we had two rolling disruptions during sleep. They both came in the morning. The first one was at 6:50 AM. I heard her crying, which I thought was odd. I looked on my video monitor (love it!) and she was on her belly. I went up to her and rolled her on to her back. She went back to sleep and slept until eight when I woke her up.

The next time was a few days later. It was 7:15. Again, I went to her and rolled her on to her back. I didn't know if she would go back to sleep since it was pretty close to morning waketime. Well, she did. She is super baby.

DREAMFEED
We still have the dreamfeed.

FOUR HOUR SCHEDULE
Are you wondering where the big change is? Here it is. We are on a four hour schedule. Yes, I know. We haven't dropped the dreamfeed. Yes, I know. I have told many, many, many of you to drop the dreamfeed FIRST.

I still think that is the best thing to do (drop the dreamfeed before moving to a four hour schedule). We had many extenuating circumstances that led to this:
  • We are moving soon and I really felt like I needed to keep the dreamfeed until after we were settled in our new house.
  • She was ready to drop a feeding and thus the end of our day was really crammed in there.
  • We were painting.
Painting is what led to this schedule. The first day of this week, we started painting our new house. We had lots of friends and family come over and we were painting like crazy. McKenna was at my parent's house where my mom was watching her. I completely last track of time and McKenna kept on sleeping (like she always does) so that a feeding came an hour late in the evening. Because of that, I couldn't cram in the last feedings like I usually do. So I decided that day was a four hour schedule.

Well, that was smooth and so much more convenient for our working-on-the-house schedule. So I just decided to keep going with the four hour schedule. She did great. My current plan is to keep the dreamfeed until after we have been in our new house for 1-2 weeks.

Again, I still think it is preferable to drop the dreamfeed first. But you always have to do what is best for the entire family. We were in a special situation that this really worked better for us. I don't think it will cause any long-term problems :). I haven't seen any short-term problems.

I also think that often times if your baby is older than four months old and still has a dreamfeed and not yet on a four hour schedule, she will be ready to both drop the dreamfeed and move to a four hour schedule at the same time. With Kaitlyn, I dropped the dreamfeed and moved to a four hour schedule a couple of days later. It is risky to do it that way because is baby has problems, you won't be sure if it is because of the dreamfeed, four hour schedule, or both.

OUR SCHEDULE
  • 8:00 AM: I wake her. Nurse. 2 T fruit (prunes or peaches) and 3 T oatmeal. This is followed by bath and then independent playtime.
  • 9:00 AM: Nap
  • 12:00 PM: I wake her (yes, she takes a 3 hour nap). Nurse. 2-4 T peas and 2-4 T of bananas. This is followed by some time with siblings and some tummy time/floor play.
  • 1:15-1:30 PM: Nap. Almost every day this week, she took this nap at my parent's house.
  • 4:00 PM: I wake her. Nurse. 4 T yellow veggie, 2 T fruit (usually peaches), and 4 T oatmeal. This is followed by us going to our new house to work on it. I would put her in the front carrier or in the bouncer. Some days, she and I would drive to pick up food for the workers.
  • 6:00 PM: Nap. This was taken in my new neighbors master bedroom closet in her bassinet.
  • 8:00 PM: I wake her. Some nights she woke on her own. She sleeps so well! I never expected her to sleep well there. They have six kids, so you know things just get really loud sometimes. The girl can sleep. Nurse and then back to bed at home.
  • 10:20 or 10:30 PM: Dreamfeed.
I would ideally like the last feeding to start at 7:30 so she can be in bed by 8:00, but for right now, it is good for me to have that extra 30 minutes to work on the house. We are still figuring out our perfect 4 hour schedule.
, 2009
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Reader Four Hour Schedule Questions

  • Emily said...
    [My daughter] just turned 7 months and I don't see us moving to a 4hr schedule. She gets tired quickly but will only sleep 1.5 hours. She can be awake 30min before eating but if she wakes at 11 eats at 11:30, needs to go down 12:30 then will wake at 2:00 so we're back to 3 hours or at most 3.5 hrs. Is this normal? I feel like she's kind of old to be eating so often, especially since she eats a good amount of solids. Thanks!
    August 17, 2008 3:23 PM
    Plowmanators said...
    For the 4 hour schedule, most babies can stay awake longer at that age, but not all. My daughter couldn't, she just took really long naps. I wouldn't worry about it. She should extend waketime before too long.
    August 17, 2008 10:58 PM

Index: Four Hour Schedule

Poll Results: What age did baby move to a 4 hour schedule (approximate)?

Results:

12-15 Weeks: 14 votes (21%)
4-5 Months: 13 votes (19%)
5-6 Months: 9 votes (13%)
6-7 Months: 1 vote (1%)
7-8 Months: 4 votes (6%)
8 Months or Older: 3 votes (4%)
Not Yet: 24 votes (35%)

Total of 68 votes

REMINDER: You can leave comments on poll results posts if you would like to add to the poll after it has closed. This would be helpful for those who have more than one child, those whose children have reached certain ages after a poll closed, and those who didn't visit the blog while that poll was open. To find closed polls, click on the poll results link above.

Combo Schedule is Okay

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I often see questions about feeding schedules where the mom is wondering what to do because baby sometimes isn't hungry to eat at three hours, but other times in the day can't go more than three hours.

Keep in mind that combination schedules are okay. No problem. If there is one feeding a day where your baby needs more time between feedings, you can do 3.5 hours for that feeding and 3 hours for the rest and still get in the correct number of feedings in a day.

You can do a combo 2.5-3 hour schedule. With both of my kids, that schedule also required one 2 hour interval in the evening (they were/are breastfed).

You can do a combo 3-3.5 schedule. I have done a combo 2.5-3.5 hour schedule. Kaitlyn is on a 4 hour schedule right now, but her last feeding comes at 3.5 hours so I can get her in bed in time. I can go on. Create your schedule to serve your baby's needs, your family's needs, and your needs.
So while you are creating your schedule, remember the option of a combination schedule.

The Babywise 4 Hour Schedule: More Thoughts

The Babywise 4 Hour Schedule: More Thoughts. Tips for knowing when and how to move to a four hour daily schedule.

The Babywise 4 Hour Schedule: More Thoughts. Tips for knowing when and how to move to a four hour daily schedule.


I have done a post entitled "When to Move to a 4-Hour Schedule". Here are some more thoughts on the topic.

When I moved to 4 hours with my two older children, I just decided one day to let it happen. We went from 3 to 4 hours just like that. If you are initiating the change rather than just giving in to it, you will likely have to gradually move things over time.

When I first let 4 hours happen with Kaitlyn, I still fed her at 7:30, 11:30, 3:00, 5:30, 7:30 because I wanted to keep five feedings (for milk supply), but knew she was ready for 4 hours. She went along with it, but I knew it was silly, so after a few days of that I moved it to 7:30, 11:30, 3:30, 7:00 (because I want her in bed by 7:30. Sometimes I start this feeding at 6:30 if I have to be somewhere in the evening and that works just fine).

Poll Results: What Age Did Your Baby Move to a Four Hour Schedule?

Results:

3 Months: 1 Vote (12%)
4 Months: 5 Votes (31%)
5 Months: 1 Vote (6%)
6 Months: 5 Votes (31%)
7 Months: 0 Votes
8 Months/Older: 3 Votes (18%)

Total of 16 Votes.

When to Move to 4 Hour Schedule

When to Move baby to a 4 Hour Schedule. Once your baby is happily eating every three hours and you seem to always need to wake her up to eat, it may be time to move from a three hour schedule to the four hour schedule. Read on to see if your baby is ready.

When to Move baby to a 4 Hour Schedule. Once your baby is happily eating every three hours and you seem to always need to wake her up to eat, it may be time to move from a three hour schedule to the four hour schedule.


Aaahhh. The four hour schedule. Any mom who has been there knows how wonderful it is. Any mom who hasn't can only dream, but she is sure it is lovely. There are many wonderful things about a 4 hour schedule, especially if you are breastfeeding.

As lovely as it seems (and it is lovely), don't rush into it. Wait until your baby is ready for it. The book says that "many a mother" is anxious to move to a 4 hour schedule (for good reason!), but there is no need to rush it. So how do you know if your baby is ready?